Just to preface this, I’ve read there are some conflicting definitions of “liberaltarian”, but for the most part I’ve seen it used not as a way to indicate some hybrid philosophy, but basically is one that is Modern Liberal that calls themselves libertarian in order to distance themselves from the negatives of the Modern Liberal… or progressive. Maybe they’ll throw in some classic liberal ideas like Friedman, but then like John Stossel did last week, will cite Hayek’s “Why I’m Not A Conservative” essay… while ignoring that a European conservative is very different than an American conservative… a point which Hayek even makes.
I managed to catch an episode of FOX Business’s “The Independents” on Friday on the radio, which frankly was entirely dependent on misconceptions, absurdities, leftist phrasing, and a lot of broken windows.
The episode’s guests included an illegal alien “Dreamer” who’s lobbying for her own special protections; Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who’s so far down in the trenches and relying on direct experience that he sounds inarticulate when talking to high-rise New Yorkers because his viewpoint and argument is dependent on that experience; and Dan Stein, a representative from the Federation on American Immigration Reform. There were a couple others as well – one a pro-amnesty shill, and the other one of those subtle muddling-the-issues amnesty supporters.
The entire episode was fraught with fallacies and errors of economic, moral, and logic standards. There was also an intentional lack of differentiation between legal and illegal immigration, except by the FAIR representative and as footnotes for Arpaio, to whom as a law enforcement official, legal immigration is of no concern.
The hosts, MTV VJ Kennedy, Matt Welch – that other guy from Reason, and I assume Kmele Foster was on, though I didn’t hear him introduced; were all engaged in almost every pro-amnesty progressive leftist point dressed up as laissez-faire economic arguments, emotional humanitarian arguments, and general bullshit.
When Stein was on, they argued that illegal immigration is down because deportations are up (a spurious claim itself), while Stein pointed out that the massive surge in illegal immigration due to stories of the illegal-alien-abetting DREAM Act-by-exec-order means that data from last year is somewhat irrelevant.
They (the hosts plus the pro-amnesty guest opposite Stein) argued that illegal aliens are only coming because the economy is improving, and that thus illegal aliens are good for the economy. Stein rebutted by explaining that illegal aliens are taking American jobs. To which the response was basically this:
The highest point the argument against Stein got to was accusing him of protectionism. To their credit, that’s not completely off base.
The purpose of a nation is to provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. It’s for the citizens of the nation to enjoy the benefits of the nation. It’s what citizenship is about. The whole reason to be a citizen is to be a member of a nation.
The concept of having secure borders and enforced immigration laws that result in deportations for illegal aliens is one that exists in order to protect citizenry and the security and sovereignty of that nation. The liberaltarians on “Independents” seemed only to see the glazier’s side of the economic argument of broken laws. They ignored that having a secure nation means protection not just from economic threats, but from physical ones as well – not just the lurking specter of terrorism, but also of criminals and biological hazards illegal aliens bring with them. You do want to screen who comes in to begin with at the very minimum for those physical threats – all of which lead to second and third order effects due to the hidden damages they cause.
As to the economic threats, they were dismissed by the liberaltarian “Independents” towing their party and paymaster’s line, while ignoring that there’s a much bigger argument than “Durka dur!” (And keep in mind their master Rupert Murdoch is sitting down with Valerie Jarrett to work out ways for the Ruling Class to tell the American people to agree to be invaded.)
For one, illegal aliens do take American jobs. The immediate response is – but they’re jobs Americans are too stupid/lazy/spoiled to do.
If there weren’t illegal aliens undercutting US wages, the pay rates for those unpleasant jobs would be higher. This argument is usually dismissed with a wave of the hand or a subject change, and a bias on the part of the person arguing it.
There are a lot of Americans who do take labor-intensive, difficult jobs. Mike Rowe’s made that point over and over.
If illegal aliens weren’t disrupting the job market with wages that can undercut the minimum, as well as using their illegal status as a way to reduce compliance costs for employers (no workman’s comp or insurance, only paid in cash, etc.), employers would have to pay a wage that’s commensurate with the job itself.
To give an example – throughout the midwest there used to be meat packing plants in downtown areas. Urban populations would work in them for decent, but not great, wages, but enough to keep an economy afloat, provide for a family, and do all that good-ol-American “living wage” stuff unions get all wistful about. Once illegal aliens became an exploitable resource, a lot of those meat packing plants moved out to rural areas, closer to farms, and where entire rural communities would be radically changed by the influx of illegal aliens and cheap illegal alien labor. The plants could’ve hired the guy downtown for $20/hour, but found it easier to hire two illegals for $10/hour – illegals they don’t have to provide benefits for, and if one loses a hand in a band saw, they just get another illegal to replace him.
This usually spins into the idea of “well we need to bring those undocumented angels out of the shadows and into society to protect them”… but they don’t necessarily want that. While they hypothetically could be deported as they’re here illegally, they also don’t have to deal with regulations and compliance costs, taxes, or often any laws at all. Hell, they can get drunk, drive, and crash into Democrat politicians who will still support illegal aliens.
Democrat Moran, from the news story, states:
“I know this is a tough issue that we’re dealing with and as you probably know I have been and will continue to be pro immigrant and some cases even pro illegal immigrant. And it would be politically expedient for me at this point in time to change that. That should give you some indication of my commitment to immigration and immigrants to tell you that even after being hit by one I will continue to advocate for immigrants and their rights as citizens of this country.”
Now, that moron aside, illegals enjoy the benefits of not having laws enforced against them in many states. A park ranger I spoke with last week told me how he’d encountered people breaking laws in Yosemite National Park, but could do nothing as they were illegal aliens with no ID, no auto registration, and California didn’t allow for arresting illegals for pretty much anything. A friend who did a ridealong for Wisconsin state police encountered someone who wanted to race the officer’s vehicle – when they pulled over the racing driver, it turned out to be an illegal alien and he was released with not so much as a slap on the wrist. If a US citizen decided to go race the cops on a street, or tear up through a national park, the US citizen would be arrested and in all probability jailed. If an illegal alien does it, they’re released.
So again, the illegals don’t necessarily want to stop being illegals – it takes away their protected status.
And it takes away their competitive advantage. And it gives them the option to take the route some Americans have chosen to already – those Americans who turn down work because something else is better…
Getting back to the economics of it, the next liberaltarian counterpoint is that Americans are still too spoiled and lazy and fat to do dirty jobs anyway… and that’s where welfare and unemployment come in (which would also come into play for illegals granted amnesty).
Remember the Welfare Cliff?
Not working one brings in $46,000 in benefits.
For those who didn’t know it, there’s also a way to game unemployment. I’ve heard it from employers who have difficulty finding help, and I’ve heard it from the lazy bastards themselves when they talk about what they do. The scam is to work just long enough to get unemployment, then take unemployment for a few months, then go back to work just long enough to qualify for more handouts.
From a personal standpoint, it makes sense. If you can work for three months, then take a three month vacation at taxpayer expense while your food is paid for by the taxpayer, your housing is subsidized by the taxpayer, your bills are all supported by the taxpayer, and your health care is just an emergency room trip away that’s also covered by the taxpayer… why work? Your quality of life is decent – you have access to entertainment and cars and gadgets and such – so why bother aspiring for more?
This undercuts the American work ethic and makes the illegal alien’s labor look good. The illegal alien is benefiting from being able to negotiate his wages to below the mandated minimum wage. The illegal alien is further benefiting from having his competition removed from the market via government handouts.
Do away with welfare, take away illegal alien labor and suddenly those Americans who are unemployed won’t be sitting around collecting checks from the taxpayer – they’ll have to work for their money in those now available jobs.
Do away with the minimum wage so those workers can compete at the level of their skills, and this will allow employers and businesses to utilize those lower wages to lower costs of products for everyone (which in turn generates more benefit for the new employees, which moves the economy, generates skills for those workers, and puts them at higher wages anyway – and with lower taxes to boot). But we’ve talked about the problems of the minimum wage for years.
Anyway, back to “The Independents”.
At one point, one of the hosts, while talking with the “DREAMer” illegal alien used the term “undocumented American”. This is nonsense.
If you sneak into Quebec tomorrow where you don’t speak French, have no plans to assimilate, and seek only to send remittances home to the US, you are not an “undocumented Canadian”. You’re an illegal alien.
If you sneak into Japan tomorrow, where you don’t speak Japanese, have no plans to assimilate, but think you can make some money by working for less than native Japanese workers by staying out of sight, you are not an “undocumented Japanese”. You’re an illegal alien.
If you sneak into Mexico tomorrow, where you don’t speak Spanish (Mexican spanish, not that Castillian lisping Spanish), you have no plans to assimilate, but you think you can make some money by offering a skill that isn’t around locally… well, you aren’t an “undocumented Mexican”. You’re an illegal alien. And in Mexico, you can’t own property as a foreigner, and you’re also subject to arrest by any authority or citizen. You’re an extranjero ilegal and subject to arrest by anyone.
The entire show was filled with false premises of how illegal immigration works, an economic view through rose colored glasses onto broken windows, it ignored the physical and biological security threats of a totally open border, and the last thing it ignored was the demographics issue.
The swarm of illegal aliens who are going to be made into wards of the state will not be voting for libertarian free market ideas. They will not be Ron Paul voters or Gary Johnson voters.
They will be Democrat voters.
They will vote for further expansion of government. They will vote for the same cult-of-personality leaders they’re familiar with in their home countries. They will vote for people like The Race who speak to them – The Race being the translation of La Raza. The same giant racist organization that has Celia Munoz in the White House in charge of Obama’s domestic policy council.
Illegal aliens granted amnesty will not be listening to the erudite arguments for individual freedom because they don’t speak even english. Those from Central America rarely even speak coherent spanish – instead speaking regional dialects, or regional indian languages.
These are not people wanting freedom – they’re people wanting “free” stuff at the expense of the taxpayer because they heard there’d be a free ride.
Demographically, amnesty will doom the nascent libertarian movement, slowly strangle what remains of both little r republicans and the Republican party, and push the Democrats into perpetual power, reigning as an oligarchy of socialist redistributors.