Posts Tagged ‘Paul Ryan’

Among HotAir’s quotes of the day (given the sub-heading “RINOs”), there was this one by S.E. Cupp about Paul Ryan:

After Ryan’s op-ed, which pushed for a strong-willed fight for entitlement reform in exchange for raising the debt ceiling, failed to mention the unholiest of Tea Party holies, Obamacare, he was nailed to a proverbial cross by Ted Cruz defenders, who then immediately told everyone at Golgotha — or on Twitter — of his betrayal…

[F]rankly, Cruz’s defenders are only managing to make Ryan look like the grown-up.

I don’t recall Ryan jumping into the fray when plenty of Republicans were criticizing the strategy to defund Obamacare — a position by Cruz that I have applauded as heroic. When Sens. Bob Corker and Orrin Hatch and Rep. Peter King were scolding Cruz for a plan they knew was ill-fated, Ryan was virtually silent on the move. This, even though Cruz has never been shy about his disdain for Ryan Republicans. Back in March, Cruz criticized Ryan’s budget plan for its Medicare cuts. And he’s made it clear he doesn’t trust Ryan when it comes to budget negotiations.

It’s hard to argue that Ryan isn’t a staunch conservative. To treat him like a traitor is preposterous and unproductive. And while I admire Cruz’s conviction, and stand by his commitment to peel back a program as odious and ruinous as the Affordable Care Act, he has to learn to work with others on his own team.

Actually, it’s very easy to show Paul Ryan isn’t a staunch conservative.

Paul Ryan supports amnesty for illegal aliens.

Call it a marriage of convenience. In the battle to win over the majority of the Republican Party on immigration reform an alliance has been formed between two of the GOP’s rising stars. Congressman Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) has endeavored to assist Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) in his push to convince the Republican Party to go along with the immigration reform plan proposed by the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” group of senators.

US Citizenship and Immigration Services agents make it plenty clear:

“I worry the House may be following a similar path. Media reports reveal that Chairman Bob Goodlatte, Chairman Paul Ryan, Congressman Luis Gutierrez, and Majority Leader Eric Cantor are working to advance proposals to open citizenship benefits to the majority of those here illegally, in combination with proposals to expand visa programs.”

Paul Ryan listed in the same breath as Democrat Luis “My Only Loyalty Is To Illegal Alien Invaders” Gutierrez.

“I have only one loyalty,” he says, “and that’s to the immigrant community.”

Paul Ryan was the most conservative person on either ticket in 2012, but that’s also not saying much.  I supported his fiscal conservatism (you run with what you get), but apparently too much time in DC has made him come to the conclusion that someone who breaks into your house has a right to stay on your sofa and watch TV all day long.

Apparently he’s very popular with the left when it comes to getting a puppet “conservative” to go and push for “immigration reform”… which as we all know, is just amnesty with a more palatable title.  He’s even got billionaires creating astroturf groups with “conservative” in the name to support him on amnesty.

S.E. Cupp may be rather sharp on other topics, but rather than dismiss Cruz’s criticisms of Ryan, she might want to check to her premises when it comes to Ryan.  Just because the media says Ryan’s conservative doesn’t mean it’s so.

And rather than just usual Rule 5 stuff like this:

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Here’s S.E. Cupp skinning a bear:

Though she also seems to dress to hunt like the queen of all Fudds.

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Unless it’s a charity event or something and she had to dress like a “hunter”, or it was free stuff from sponsors.


The last post on this topic here.  There’s no shortage of people who hold the same critical opinion of the two-faced Republicans.

HotAir has stumbled on the perfect person for Paul “Turncoat Screech” Ryan to debate about amnesty:

I’m assuming he would say that earned citizenship, which is slightly different, also doesn’t qualify as amnesty. In that case, I’ve got the perfect debate opponent for him. Meet Marco Rubio, candidate for Senate. October 24, 2010:

RUBIO: First of all, earned path to citizenship is basically code for amnesty. It’s what they call it. And the reality of it is this. This has to do with the bottom line that America cannot be the only country in the world that does not enforce its immigration laws.

It is unfair to the people that have legally entered this country to create an alternative pathway for individuals who entered illegally and knowingly did so.

Yup, good ol’ Marco “Quisling” Rubio.

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The Heritage Foundation is ready to debate it.

Yesterday at a forum on immigration sponsored by the National Association of Manufacturers, House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) said the Senate’s Gang of Eight bill “is not amnesty” because “amnesty is wiping the slate clean and not paying any penalty for having done something wrong.”

We beg to differ, Mr. Chairman.

Much of the debate in Washington has focused on how and when illegal immigrants receive permanent legal resident (PLR) status, commonly referred to as a green card, which then funnels into citizenship.  While proponents correctly note that process will take up to 15 years, it is the wrong focus.

The appropriate focus is on the process of acquiring registered provisional immigrant (RPI) status.  This legalization process begins when the Secretary of Homeland Security submits two plans to Congress, a mere six months after enactment, and is open to nearly every illegal immigrant who has been physically present in the country before January 1, 2012.  After acquiring RPI status, formerly illegal immigrants will have legal status in the United States, allowing them to work, live, and travel abroad.

Read the whole thing here.

Not all of the Republican party is on board for amnesty, but there are getting to be some high-profile names from Republicans who otherwise aren’t loathesome traitors.

To start, former VP candidate Paul Ryan:

On Wednesday, Wisconsin Republican Rep. Paul Ryan, who has supported forms of immigration reform since he was a House staffer in the 1990s, declared that he would “debate anybody” who calls the current bipartisan effort “amnesty.”

No, he won’t debate anyone, and for a simple reason.  He’d lose.  It is amnesty.

“Earned legalization is not amnesty,” Ryan said during a forum on immigration sponsored by the National Association of Manufacturers. “I will debate anybody who tries to suggest that these ideas that are moving through Congress are amnesty. They’re not. Amnesty is wiping the slate clean and not paying any penalty for having done something wrong.”

The usual definition to amnesty is to give a pardon to someone for crimes.  Given that the punishments for illegal entry into the country can range from a few weeks, months, or even years in jail, and that they get to stay and enjoy the fruits of their crime, this is amnesty.

If someone breaks into your house and camps out on the couch and your homeowner’s association says they have to do the dishes and then they can stay, your house is still broken into, and the home invader is still living in your house.  They didn’t “earn their residence” except to the contemptible worm in the HOA who declared they can violate your home.

This is amnesty.

Ryan pointed to provisions baked into the Senate bill from the beginning that require those in the United States to pay a fine, back taxes, undergo background checks and enter a years-long probationary period before earning citizenship, a process that can take up to 15 years.

He’s a fool to believe those will really be implemented, for one.

For another comparison, suppose that someone kidnaps and rapes three girls for a decade.  Rather than punish him for the crime, the government decides that he should pay a fine, redo his taxes to represent one of them as a wife and the other two of them as dependents, undergo a marriage counseling and after a probationary period, be allowed to marry the one whose child he fathered through rape.  And he can keep the other two as dependents in his household.  His crime is bureaucratically blessed and allowed to continue.  By Ryan’s definition, that’s not amnesty.

And then there’s the otherwise not-an-idiot Rand Paul:

“First, everyone has to acknowledge that we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants,” said Paul.

What you’re saying is you’re not going to do your f*cking job, Rand.

The sleazy numbers game is one of the first thrown around by government officials who want amnesty.  “It’s too big.  We can’t do anything.  Woe is us.  We can’t enforce the law.  We just have to give up.  You just have to give up.”  We hired them to do a job.  If they say “we aren’t going to”, then we need a mechanism for throwing them out for refusing to do their job.

From the CDC:

Adults drank too much and got behind the wheel about 112 million times in 2010—that is almost 300,000 incidents of drinking and driving each day—according to a CDC Vital Signs study released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That’s not 12 million illegals, that 112 million drunk drivers.

If numbers are the criteria, let’s stop enforcing drunk driving laws.

“In order to bring conservatives to this cause however, those who work for reform must understand that a real solution must ensure that our borders are secure,” said Paul.

Not happening.  Conservatives don’t let home invaders stay.  And Sen. Marco “GOP Presidential Hopeful” Rubio stated that he wanted to give citizenship to invaders first:

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Rand Paul goes on:

“But we also must treat those who are already here with understanding and compassion.”

I’ve got some understanding and compassion.  I’m willing to allow for no penalty if they self-deport.  If they leave and aren’t detected, I’m willing to ignore that they were here, and if they apply for entry into the US legally, they get a do-over.  Not out of principle, mind you, just out of practicality.  If they’ve self-deported, we won’t try them in absentia and order them removed.  There.  That’s how much I’m willing to give.

Other than that, they can get out of my living room.

But here’s part of Rand Paul’s argument:

“Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers,” said Paul.

Imagine 12 million people filing for benefits and using up government services – the costs are enormous.  Illegal aliens are primarily day laborers and working at basic jobs.  These are people more likely to file for assistance (illegals already can get assistance, and do so illegally) due to their economic standing, and that’s not going to change.

Sen. Rand Paul (R.-Ky.) said to illegal aliens who want to live and work in the United States: “[W]e will find a place for you.”

I’ve got a place for them.  Wherever they came from.

There are legal immigrants in their home countries desperately yearning to breathe free in the US, and we’re going to give amnesty to a bunch of line-cutting illegals whose first step into the US was breaking the law.  The guy in India busting his ass to get here legally, or the gal in Poland, or the family in Bangladesh are all getting crapped on because a huge number of illegals in the US are from Democrat-voting constituencies and the Democrats want their votes, and either foolish or stupid Republicans think that by giving out free citizenship they’ll somehow out-Democrat the Democrats.

Ann Coulter is right – the GOP is so stupid it deserves to die.

Democrats terrify Hispanics into thinking they’ll be lynched if they vote for Republicans, and then turn around and taunt Republicans for not winning a majority of the Hispanic vote.

This line of attack has real resonance with our stupidest Republicans. (Proposed Republican primary targets: Sens. Kelly Ayotte, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio.) Which explains why Republicans are devoting all their energy to slightly increasing their share of the Hispanic vote while alienating everyone else in America.

It must be fun for liberals to manipulate Republicans into focusing on hopeless causes.

A wise Latina, A.J. Delgado, recently explained on why amnesty won’t win Republicans the Hispanic vote — even if they get credit for it. Her very first argument was: “Latinos will resent the added competition for jobs.”

But rich businessmen don’t care. Big Republican donors — and their campaign consultants — just want to make money. They don’t care about Hispanics, and they certainly don’t care what happens to the country. If the country is hurt, I don’t care, as long as I am doing better! This is the very definition of treason.

Listening to Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus burble a few weeks ago on “Fox News Sunday” about how amnesty is going to push the Republicans to new electoral heights, one is reminded of Democratic pollster Pat Caddell’s reason for refusing to become a Republican: No matter how enraged he gets at Democratic corruption, he says he can’t bear to join such a stupid party as the GOP.

This is the Ruling Class Republicans deciding they’ll do what they want to us Country Class folk.  The one half of the ruling class decides they want more cheap labor, the other side wants more cheap labor and knows they’ll get free votes to further cement their power.  And all the while, the citizen whose compact made the government gets shit on.

Republicans, you’re doing a great job of alienating independents who view you as the lesser of two evils.  You’re showing us that you’re absolutely worthless and have no respect for the nation or citizen and care more about a criminal home invader than you do about the homeowner.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.  The governed say NO again and again, and the Ruling Class says “eat cake”.

And via HotAir, John McCain:

This morning on the Senate floor, Gang of Eight member Senator John McCain declared that the Gang’s immigration bill needed to pass in order to remove a “very huge stain on the conscience of the United States of America.”

No.  There is not “stain on the conscience” of the US.  The suffering of criminals is not our problem – it’s theirs – it’s self-created by them.  Don’t break the law when you enter the country and there’s no problem.

This is about you and your demons, McCain.  Deal with them with a shrink.

A lot of prisoners had it worse than I did. I’d been mistreated before, but not as badly as others. I always liked to strut a little after I’d been roughed up to show the other guys I was tough enough to take it. But after I turned down their offer, they worked me over harder than they ever had before. For a long time. And they broke me.

When they brought me back to my cell, I was hurt and ashamed, and I didn’t know how I could face my fellow prisoners.

You’re inflicting decades worth of your anguish on us because you feel bad about your actions in the past and suffering you endured.  That’s why you “reach across the aisle” and collaborate with Democrats whose interests are opposed to the nation’s.   Your VP candidate got more support than you did – there were a lot of people voting for your VP and a heart attack.

We tell you we don’t want this, and you insist that it must be done to us as if we’re guilty of something for wanting to be secure in our own nation.  For some reason, criminals need amnesty while we the citizens need punishment.  This isn’t about us, McCain, it’s about you.  Retire.

When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.

– Proverbs 29:9

Continued from Part 1, and Part 2.

ThinkProgress goes on with point 5:

5. “$716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.” Ryan’s favorite lie is a deliberate distortion of Obamacare’s savings from eliminating inefficiencies. Furthermore, Ryan’s own plan for Medicare includes these savings. Romney has vowed to restore these cuts, which would render the trust fund insolvent 8 years ahead of schedule.

Oh, this is fun.  Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to pay for itself.

From there, ThinkProgress goes into fantasyland.  Obamacare’s savings are projected savings.  They don’t exist.  They’re supposed savings that will happen in the future.

That’s like saying I’m going to beat Michael Phelps at swimming in 2016 because I decided to do a lap in the pool today.  My projected athletic potential is unrivaled!  I’ll do powerlifting and do a 100-meter dash faster than a Suzuki Hayabusa while I’m at it, and then be hanging out with Michelle Jenneke in the Olympic village.

Okay, now that you’ve “right-clicked, saved as” and moved on, I’ll reiterate.  It doesn’t matter what promises you make if you don’t keep them.  See point 3.  It doesn’t matter what projected savings you have when those savings don’t materialize.  You can’t say “I’m gonna, I’m gonna”, especially when you have a track record for “I didn’t, I didn’t”, or worse yet “it’s not my fault, it’s his fault”.

And ThinkProgress finishes up with point 6:

6. “The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Ryan closed the speech with an invocation of social responsibility, saying, “The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” However, numerous clergy members have condemned Ryan’s budget plan as “cruel,” and “an immoral disaster” because of its devastating cuts in social programs the poor and sick rely on. Meanwhile, Ryan would give ultra-rich individuals and corporations $3 trillion in tax breaks.

They really are clueless.  This is actually a bit of actual Republican code (hint: it doesn’t have anything to do with racism).  It’s a subtle way to say to pro-lifers that there’s a interest in protecting the unborn, who are by their very nature, weak.  It’s a point to say that things like the Born Alive Act would be supported.  Interesting that ThinkProgress only thinks of the poor and sick adults, who can work their way out of their weakness, rather than newborns who are by their very nature without even legal protections.  But regardless, their opinion here is also flawed.

Duties to one’s fellow man are supposed to be those that we assume of our own volition.  If you choose to help your neighbor, you do so out of your own concern.  If you do so because the government mandates it, you get people who are disinterested in their fellow man because “the system” is supposed to take care of them.  This is why every year, often around Christmas, when a news story comes out saying that conservatives give huge amounts to charity and leftist-statists are skinflint scrooges, leftists are surprised.

“You find that people who believe it’s the government’s job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away.”  Compassion, however, should be rooted in personal engagement; liberals fail to match conservatives in this area.

The “devastating cuts in social programs” are good things.  It helps people to help themselves.  Thomas Sowell, among others, has written at length about how the welfare state has caused a decline in those it’s supposed to help.  Sowell specifically cites the example of how the black family has been destroyed by programs mean to “help”, and how individual black Americans find themselves figuratively enslaved to a system that makes them into perpetual wards of the state.  Same applies to anyone else whose individuality and individual accomplishment is subsumed into identity politics along class lines which lead them to believe they have a station in life that they cannot escape.

ThinkProgress’s accusation of a lie is based on their own opinion, an opinion that is disproven by facts, history, and the conditions of those who are subject to government “help”.

Furthermore, tax hikes and increased spending on those who are unfortunate does nothing but harm those who are actually working to improve their lives.  If you’re working at $15/hour and you lose another $1/hour to pay for someone else to sit and not work, your life is harmed by being forced by goverment to fund a government bureaucrat to redistribute your hard-earned income.  If you’re working at $15/hour and your boss, who’s an evil rich robber baron who’s both evil and rich and spends his leisure time racing flying machines with his dog Muttley, has his taxes raised, that means he may not be able to pay you as much.

That means he may not be able to employ you at Evilco.  With workman’s comp and Obamacare and social security and FICA and a dozen other impositions, he may not be able to afford to pay for your labor.

And then you’re out of work.  This gives the government bureaucrat someone else to distribute wealth to, but it hurts you.  We’ve covered this ground before many times, but it’s worth looking at the second and third-order effects of taxes and “social programs” that are nothing of the sort.   $3 trillion in cuts to employers and a climate of stability means businesses will expand.

You may not get a job making fantastic flying machines, but you might be working in the top hat and cape business instead.  It’s economics.

So out of 6 contentions of lies, ThinkProgress is wrong on all of them.  Except for point 3, if you’re somebody who cheats on their wife and says “but I said I’d be faithful, I didn’t promise I wouldn’t cheat!  That’s not saying I wouldn’t cheat!  I didn’t promise that!”  Basically what you’d expect from someplace called “ThinkProgress”.

Point 3 from ThinkProgress:

3. Shuttered General Motors plant is “one more broken promise.” Ryan described a GM plant that closed down in his hometown, Janesville, Wisconsin, and blamed Obama for breaking his promise to keep the plant open when he visited during his campaign. But Obama never made that promise, and the plant shut down in December 2008, before Obama even took office.

From the source they cite:

Obama did speak at the plant in February 2008, and suggested that a government partnership with automakers could keep the plant open, but made no promises as Ryan suggested.

“I believe if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years,” Obama said.

He didn’t use the words “I promise”.

He ran on a campaign of government support for industries that he chose to bail out – like GM, which he did bail out.  But it is an interesting choice of words.

I believe if we are here to support each other, and I can give you the love you and I both need to make this step together, that this marriage can last until death do we part.

Clearly, since he didn’t say “I promise”, that’s not a promise.

Score one for ThinkProgress, if you’re a lawyer.  These are the kind of people who’d find djinn, say something stupid, and then say “but I didn’t wish for that!”

Point 4:

4. Obama “did exactly nothing” on Bowles-Simpson. Ryan said, “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” In fact, Ryan was instrumental in sabotaging the commission, leading the other House Republicans in voting against the plan.


Read ThinkProgress’s point.  They start with Ryan’s statement about Obama, then talk about what Ryan did.  They don’t talk about what Obama didn’t do.

There were a lot of reasons that Simpson-Bowles was flawed, and a lot of reasons for fiscally-minded Republicans, as well as entitlement-minded Democrats, to avoid it.  Obama ditched it.  What Ryan did doesn’t make the statement untrue.

Update: Started in Part 1.  Continued in Part 3.

First off, the full RNC speech here:

It’s a good speech, though I’d like to see Fast and Furious mentioned every other word, but that’s me.

While noting that the self-admitted biased NYT ran with an intentionally negative picture of Paul Ryan on their cover, I stumbled across a lot of “fact-check” folks saying Ryan’s speech was full of lies – which would be interesting if it were true.

From “Think Progress“:

1. “A downgraded America.” Ryan blamed the president for the nation’s credit downgrade in August 2011 after Republicans threatened to allow the government to default on its debt for the first time in history. But the ratings agency explicitly blamed “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”

Well, that’s interesting.  Let’s go to the source, another quote by Think Progress:

Among the reasons cited will be “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”

Hey, now that’s not the source, that’s ABC being reported by ThinkProgress.  Hell, I’m just a little guy in the blogosphere here and I don’t quote my own opinions to prove myself right – though it would be fun and easy.

Standard and Poors had this to say:

We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related 
fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an 
agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process. We also believe that the fiscal 
consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration agreed to this week falls short of the amount that we believe is necessary to stabilize the 
general government debt burden by the middle of the decade.

Kinda different, huh?  What that says, specifically, is that the issue is containing the growth in public spending or raising revenues.  The controversy over raising the debt ceiling is a symptom, not the problem.  The problem is raising the debt ceiling is spending more money that you don’t have, and using it on entitlements that are out of control.  Standard and Poors can see that the Obama administration has been kicking the can down the road.

Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be 
extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program 
that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on 
discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have 
dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, 
the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability.

So the problem, again, is not “the Republicans”.  The problem is spending.  The only reason revenues are an issue is because more money is needed for spending.  The only reason more money is needed for spending is because of out-of-control entitlements.  On top of that, increasing taxes leads to people who stop generating revenue.  Raise taxes and people leave the country.  The Austrian explained that quite well.  Eastern states have seen it when millionaires abandon their states, or simply don’t move there.  But that’s a whole other economics debate.

Go back to their #1 point, “the ratings agency explicitly blamed” turns into “among the reasons cited” turns into the two large S&P quotes from above, both of which cite spending as the problem.  Revenues can alleviate the problem, and debt can kick the can down the road, but nothing solves the deficit crisis without addressing those issues.  After four years of the Obama administration, and 2 years of total Democrat control of Congress, Senate, and White House from 2008-2010, the debt and spending was astronomically absurd, and 2010-2012 years left Republicans trying to … wait for it… fix the mess they inherited.  “Think Progress”‘s complaint is clearly bogus in light of how the debt that Obama was supposed to take responsibility for (yes, Bush’s fault, and the CRA, and other things), and then Obama spent more money on top of it.  Obama made the financial crisis worse with his out of control spending.  Obama did nothing to fix it.  Ryan is right.

Next point from ThinkProgress:

2. “More debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined.” Romney has made the almost identical claim, that Obama has amassed more debt “as almost all of the other presidents combined.” But their math doesn’t add up: when Obama took office, the national debt was $10.626 trillion. It has increased to slightly above $15 trillion.

Think Progress people must just be stupid.  That’s got to be it.  Obama caused $5 trillion in debt.

The current national debt is $15.982 trillion.  Or if you’d like it from another source, CBS news says $15.566 trillion.  Yes, to leftists at “Think Progress”, $566,000,000,000 is only “slightly”.

(CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama’s three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.

The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

The latest posting from the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department shows the National Debt now stands at $15.566 trillion. It was $10.626 trillion on President Bush’s last day in office, which coincided with President Obama’s first day.

It is more debt than any other president before him.  It’s twice as fast as Bush.  That’s the case, and that CBS story is from March 2012.  Since Obama spends about $1 trillion per year, he should be up another $500 billion.

Before Bush, in 2000, the debt was $5,674 billion.  Or $5.6 trillion.  So from George Washington until the end of Bill Clinton, it’s $5.6 trillion.  From Bush beginning to end, it’s $5.6 to $10.6 trillion, over 8 years.  From Obama 2008 to Obama 2012, it’s $10.6 to $15.56 or $15.9, depending on your source.  So around $5 trillion in 4 years.  Yeah, that claim fits, and the math adds up correctly.  The NY Times story from 2011 that Think Progress cites as an example of how they’re right doesn’t jive with the .gov figures.  The government figures for debt outpace the NYT story by about $3 trillion… as of 2010.  So the NYT and ThinkProgress are proving the saying that figures lie, liars figure.

Ryan is right.

They’ve got 4 more “biggest lies”, but since the first two have been shown to be bogus, I’m not expecting much.

Update: Part 2Part 3.