From the ATF’s facebook page (click comments on the link to open it up):
Screenshots and assorted shenanigans here, including an ATF agent telling people to “get off this page”:
In for a penny, in for a pound:
According to gun industry insiders and others familiar with the proposals, the changes include requiring an expanded number of small-scale gun sellers to be licensed — and therefore conduct background checks — whenever selling a weapon. This wouldn’t close the so-called gun show loophole, though it has the potential to narrow it.
The administration is also expected to impose tighter rules for reporting guns that get lost or stolen on their way to a buyer.
They won’t go after straw purchasers, but they’ll come up with more rules and regulations for those engaged in exercising rights specifically outlined by the Constitution.
as one of the major proponents of a change, Everytown has recommended adding several factors to the definition — including selling guns in their original packaging, reselling a gun shortly after acquiring it, maintaining a certain quantity of guns for sale or selling more than 25 guns a year — as possible signals that someone needs a license.
For people who are engaged in shooting sports, that’s not really that many. There are already laws on the books that target people who are actually in the business of dealing guns without a license. If law enforcement wants to go after someone for selling guns without a license because it’s their undeclared business, they can – and it’s a matter for law enforcement to figure out “is this guy a dealer, or is this guy someone who’s well-to-do and buys and sells a lot or is he liquidating inherited guns or is he X Y Z that’s not criminal?”
Another victory for advocates is likely to be a requirement for all licensed dealers and manufacturers to report to federal authorities any guns that are stolen in transit to a buyer as missing from their inventory. Currently, advocates say, thieves often target packages addressed to gun retailers in the hopes of stealing unregistered guns that are harder to trace. And while buyer and seller might sort out refunds or replacements on their own, they’re not required to report the missing guns to the National Crime Information Center.
There’s already a form for that. Buyer and seller don’t sort out refunds or replacements on their own if packages turn up missing – one or both parties will report the package missing for insurance purposes. Plus they don’t want a gun stolen in transit to end up as their problem once the thief uses it.
White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett also raised gun-control advocates’ hopes for new domestic violence provisions last month. In a post on the actress Lena Dunham’s website, Jarrett noted that guns are the most likely cause of death for women who are victims of domestic partner violence.
Somehow I’m unsurprised that Valerie Jarrett is exchanging notes on the web with Lena Dunham. Probably won’t post much to Dunham about efforts to fight against sexual assault on children.
Gun-control activists acknowledged that changing the rules for licenses might have limited impact on what sellers actually do in the short term. But in this political environment, they’ll take whatever measures they can, no matter how incremental.
“Setting cultural norms,” said Everytown research director Ted Alcorn, “is something that laws do.”
And there’s the point.
This isn’t about doing anything that prevents crime or violence. This is about a boot stamping on a human face forever. These are the moral busibodies who will torment free men endlessly.
They’re going after a Constitutional right and trying to push people away from it culturally. They’re trying to destroy the right by making it culturally nonexistent. They’re trying to make it harder and harder to buy and sell guns. The numbers game is just the camel’s nose. Right now they want 25 guns a year… next it will be 15, then 10, then 5, then 2, then 1, then 0.
The same game has been played in many states with magazine restrictions. 30 is too many! 20 is too many! 15 is too many (NJ, CO)! 10 is too many (CT, CA, MA, MD)! 7 is too many (NY)! 5 is too many! 3! 2! 1! 0. When gun control advocates are asked what the number they “need” is, they will never settle on a number to stop on. After Newtown, the argument was “30 children will be killed” and they demanded mag restrictions… why? If 30 children is terrible, why is 15 children okay? Or 10 children? Or 5? Or one? Because of course it’s not the number, that’s just a way to get a restriction that can then be pushed further.
If enacted, the legislation would place strict limits on the number of bullets a gun owner can purchase over a 90-day period, and ban gun dealers from selling ammunition for a firearm to anyone unauthorized to own such a weapon.
The bills are aimed at owners of high-capacity rifles, but they would also affect owners of handguns with much smaller magazines, even six-shooters.
The provision would limit the amount of bullets a gun owner can buy to no more than twice the amount of the capacity of the weapon ever 90 days, which means someone who owns a six-shooter could only buy 12 bullets every three months, the Brooklyn Eagle reported.
48 rounds a year with a typical revolver. One box of ammo (minus two rounds) for the year.
You can’t maintain a lot of proficiency with that little ammo… of course, to the gun-banner, that’s not a bug, that’s a feature. Restrict the ability to shoot, then say people are incompetent, then take away the guns. It’s a win-win for the leftist statist.
It also uses laws to set cultural norms – you can’t introduce someone to shooting with 4 rounds per month. You can’t go plinking with 1 round per week. With a double-barrel shotgun, you’d have 4 rounds per 3 months, 16 per year, so it’d take you years just of nursing your state-approved amount to go shoot sporting clays.
It’d be amazing to see this same objective pushed for other rights. What if they pushed against the First Amendment and you were only allowed so many words per yea
“If I have a cold, I can’t buy Sudafed without ID, but I can walk into any gun shop and walk out with enough bullets to arm a small army without showing any kind of ID,” Ms. Simon said in a joint release. “I can buy any kind of bullets regardless of what kind of gun I own. I don’t even have to own a gun to stock up on bullets. Nothing stops me from having friends buy even more bullets for me. The sky is the limit. The San Bernardino shooters had 6,000 rounds of ammunition. We need this legislation so that cannot happen here.”
Yes, you should be able to buy all the Sudafed you want as well.
There are also laws against murder and lots of gun laws in CA and that didn’t stop the San Bernadino terrorists. There are also lots of gun laws in India and that didn’t stop the Mumbai terrorists.
“Setting cultural norms,” said Everytown research director Ted Alcorn, “is something that laws do.”
It’s to push people away from their rights by making them hard to exercise. Push people away from their rights and then they can be taken away.
From Katie Pavlich:
Five years ago today, Marine and Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in a firefight by Mexican bandits. The firearms used by the criminals who killed him were part of the Obama Justice Department’s Operation Fast and Furious. As a reminder, ATF agents allowed more than 2500 AK-47s and other firearms to be purchased and trafficked by known Mexican cartel members through Fast and Furious. Hundreds of people have been killed as a result of the program, which was secret until ATF whistleblower John Dodson exposed it after Terry’s death in 2010.
“Five years later. We have celebrated Brian so many times that it warms my heart. This is a little something of past friends and ones we met along the way at events held to honor Brian. I thank all of you with every ounce of my being! We will keep fighting. 11:08pm tonight is when a deadly gunfight happened and took Brian. Please also pray for his team that was there when he took his last breathe and The Border Patrol family,” Terry’s sister, Kelly Terry-Willis, posted to her Facebook page late yesterday.
Today, not a single ATF agent has been fired as a result of the operation. Terry’s killers have been sentenced to life in prison after being found guilty on a variety of different charges, including first degree murder.
Holder nor Obama are in prison. There’s a Border Patrol station named after Brian Terry. Sharyl Atkisson left CBS. Hundreds to thousands of Mexicans and Americans are now dead because of Obama/Holder’s ATF’s actions. But aside from a lot of people who won’t forget the wrongs done by Obama/Holder’s DOJ and ATF, to most of the US, it’s almost like nothing ever happened. The media succeeded in carrying the water for Obama to the point he can still make claims for the need for gun control after a terrorist attack and not get laughed out of office – despite having been responsible for arming narcoterrorist cartels.
Hell, assholes from the ATF are still called on by the media for gun control pieces as though they aren’t an agency composed of criminals and thugs that doesn’t care about either the rights or lives of Americans or our Mexican neighbors.
It’s a sad indicator of the times we’re living in.
They already have a lot of these things waiting in a drawer to be cranked out the next time the have to push their agenda. The NYT did a page 1 editorial on how we must ban guns
for the children to prevent terrorism. It’s full of the same things we expect to see every time they crank out their gun control screed, full of the same “no rights are without regulation so we can infringe them even if they say ‘shall not be infringed'”, etc. etc.
Obama went out saying that the ability of US citizens who are convicted of no crimes to buy guns is “an insane loophole”. Of course he’s talking about the terrorist watch list/no fly list, which as we’ve noted before has erroneously included people like the late Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy, who spent months trying to get it fixed – and when you’re a former president’s brother and one of the most powerful Democrats in the country and it takes months… what does that leave for the common man? Even the leftist ACLU opposes the no-fly list. Meanwhile, there are at least 72 people on the no-fly terror watch list who work for DHS or TSA. Keep in mind that Obama was calling for the terror watch/no fly list ban before San Bernadino as well – something that since the San Bernadino terrorists weren’t on the watch list, would have made no difference then and would make no difference now. This is just exploiting a crisis. (And of course the way to keep potential terrorists from doing any terrorists acts is to have the AG charge them with terrorist activities.)
The calls for gun control rather than terrorist control have been everywhere in the last week. AG Lynch said the Obama administration would call for more, Obama spent last Friday talking gun control and not terrorism; and then there’s the stupidity of the left as they call for bans, not just the lack of any understanding about a bullet button, but one Dem congresswoman saying that “multi-automatic round weapons are easily available“, and a host of bogus statistics and BS that come from people who don’t even know what they want to ban, but they know they want to take it away from you, the leftist-parody-of-itself saying the NRA funds terrorism, and then as the left peels back the mask to reveal it’s true face – the straight up calls for disarming everyone.
A true liberal position, the place to start, is to call for domestic disarmament. That is the banning of the sale of all guns to private parties coupled with a buyback of those on the street (Mexico just moved to so control guns). Collectors can keep their guns as long as they remove the firing pin or fill the barrel with cement. Gun sports can be allowed — in closed shooting ranges. And hunters can be allowed to have long guns (if they pass background checks) with no scopes, which are not sporting. But, these exceptions aside, liberals should call for a gun-free nation and point out the much lower murder rates and fewer deaths due to accidental discharge of fire arms found in those civilized nations where most guns have been removed from private hands — and often even from those of the police.
That’s a true progressive leftist position – there’s nothing “liberal” at all about stripping everyone of their right of self defense. It is, however, a wonderful plan to create tyranny.
While you weren’t looking, the Obama administration made sure not to let a crisis go to waste and the SECDEF opened all combat positions in the military to women.
Washington (CNN)All U.S. military combat positions are being opened up to women, Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced Thursday.
The decision allows women to fill about 220,000 jobs that are now limited to men — including infantry, armor, reconnaissance and some special operations units.
“This means that as long as they qualify and meet the standards, women will now be able to contribute to our mission in ways they could not before. They’ll be able to drive tanks, give orders, lead infantry soldiers into combat,” Carter said at a news conference Thursday.
They won’t meet the standards because the current standards are “too high”. Once the standards are lowered (or men not wanting to be accused of sexism let failures pass) they won’t contribute to the mission because they’ll be – by definition – substandard, and they won’t be able to drive tanks, give orders, or lead infantry soldiers into combat as well as the men currently in those jobs. Also, the men who come in after the adjusted standards will also be substandard. The entire military will suffer.
“There will be no exceptions,” Carter said.
Carter’s historic announcement comes after years-long reviews, and after public push-back from the Marine Corps, which had sought exceptions to keep positions such as infantry, machine gunner, fire support and reconnaissance to men. A Marine Corps study suggests all-male squads are more effective in combat and less likely to be injured than integrated groups.
Carter acknowledged the Marines’ resistance, but said he’d decided to set a policy that covers the full department.
“We are a joint force, and I’ve decided to make a decision that applies to the entire force,” Carter said.
He will never be laying in the street bleeding and needing someone to carry him to safety.
“Moving forward,” Dunford said, “my focus is to lead the full integration of women in a manner that maintains our joint warfighting capability, ensures the health and welfare of our people, and optimizes how we leverage talent across the Joint Force.”
Ah, moving forward – the relentless march of progressivism. It will not maintain warfighting capability, will not ensure health and welfare, and will not “optimize leveraging talent”.
He acknowledged that “some service members, men and women, have a perception that integration would be pursued at a cost of combat effectiveness.”
And they’re correct. Combat effectiveness is meaningless to a man who will never face combat and whose world consists of what’s best for the party.
However, Carter said: “The military has long prided itself on being a meritocracy.”
It’s only been a partial meritocracy recently, and now it’s not a meritocracy at all.
Standards will drop, combat effectiveness will fall, the hard scientific biological differences of men and women will be ignored in the name of progressively harming the US and all its institutions, and the military and the US will suffer.
There’s been so much about this in the last couple days, and I’ve read so many news stories that just to keep some of the running stories, data, info, and editorials/reactions together, I’m going to dump a bunch in one big field day post.
Right now, reporters are going through the home of the terrorists, because while other mass killers have their homes sealed off for weeks while they’re searched, this one has been breached by the media a couple days after the event.
“I don’t know what’s going on,” Deputy Olivia Bozek, a spokesperson for the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department told Grasswire by phone. “That is not a cleared crime scene. There’s still an active investigation going on.”
There are reports about a neighbor seeing Arab men going in and out of the house at all hours of the night, but that the neighbor didn’t report it for fear of being called racist. Again, the kind of self-censorship that makes people not believe their own eyes:
A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
“We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What were they doing around the neighborhood?’” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”
And now the media has gone through the house and trashed it digging up anything they want to get their mitts on, meaning that any fingerprints of any other suspects will not be found.
It’s led to some speculation already that the whole investigation is being handled in a shoddy way in order to taint evidence and deflect away from the fact that these terrorists were in fact terrorists. Mass killers like the killers from Aurora, CO, and Newtown, CT, had their homes sealed for weeks while authorities went through those homes with fine-toothed combs. Here we have many reports of other suspects and the crime scene is being destroyed.
The female terrorist, Tashfeen Malik, pledged loyalty to ISIS just before the attack.
We’ll also probably never see the video from the terrorists’ GoPro cameras, which were reported widely and then suddenly disappeared. That’s an odd thing for a police department to report and then turn around and deny.
The idea of this being a directed failure by the FBI; allowing the crime scene to be destroyed might not be too far off the mark. The political ramifications can be pretty severe, as easily illustrated:
When the president declares that we’re safe from the junior varsity team after they pull off a successful terrorist attack in a western capitol and then they proceed to pull off one in the US the same day… it makes him look phenomenally incompetent to the low-info people who still think he actually cares about the country, and it makes some of them start questioning why he’d let that happen.
The Daily Beast has a piece that gives some timeline, but leaves out a lot of relevant data – some of it not known at the time, some of it due to simple political bias. It sums up with this:
Other plots have reminded us that we are at war. This one tells us that we are in a war like no other, a war in which a couple drops their baby with grandma, then goes to a holiday party to murder co-workers who not long ago threw them a baby shower.
At war with what exactly? You better not say at war with jihadis or islamists!
Speaking to the audience at the Muslim Advocate’s 10th anniversary dinner Thursday, (Attorney General) Lynch said her “greatest fear” is the “incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric” in America and vowed to prosecute any guilty of what she deemed violence-inspiring speech.
Well, at least her greatest fear isn’t global warming anymore. Now it’s people who talk bad about muslims.
The media response has mostly been the standard leftist response – “ban all guns”, with an emphasis on blaming the NRA for everything.
For example: “Why does the NRA allow guns for terrorists?” First off, the NRA doesn’t allow anything, because the NRA doesn’t control anything. The government allows or disallows – and the people allow or disallow the government.
In light of the horrific shooting in San Bernardino, California, that killed at least 14 people, President Barack Obama spoke on Wednesday about the need to reform gun laws.
He also added, “For those who are concerned about terrorism of, you know, some may be aware of the fact that we have a no fly list where people can’t get on planes, but those same people who we don’t allow to fly could go into a store right now in the United States and buy a firearm and there’s nothing that we can do to stop them.”
There are 700,000 people on the terrorist watch list, and when these people tried to legally purchase guns, they had a success rate of 91%.
“Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the GAO warned back in 2010.
This situation has a simple solution: Pass a law that stops known and suspected terrorists from buying guns.
I mentioned some of this yesterday, but being suspected of being a terrorist can be as simple as having a name like a terrorist… which happened to former Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy. It also means that the government has a secret list that you can be added to arbitrarily and have your rights taken away with no explanation.
Even if one were to ignore the ramifications of basically making a right that “shall not be infringed” into one that is constantly and totally infringed, it’s worth looking at “would it have helped?” In the case of the two San Bernadino terrorists, they weren’t on watch lists. They weren’t on no-fly lists. The proposed change would have done nothing to stop them.
Much like laws proposed after Dylan Roof killed people in a church in South Carolina after buying a gun illegally – he lied on the form 4473 (the background check) – and the FBI didn’t do their job and catch it – there’s nothing that any of these new laws would do to change things. Stopping 700,000 people on a secret watch list from exercising a constitutional right without any kind of due process or oversight is not only abhorrent, but also it wouldn’t have even worked.
Of course, the point is to push for greater and greater rules for confiscation and disarming the American public. As long as the US citizenry is armed, the worst oppression of the left are stymied.
And it is the same thing every time, because it’s the only chance the left has:
For as long as Obama and co. can conflate the question “Do you want more gun control?” with “Are you upset about what just happened?” they are able to win the day. But, once the two are separated, they lose – and badly. Why did we hear the same calls throughout yesterday’s saga, regardless of the forthcoming facts? Because, to the zealots and the bores, a mass-shooting news-cycle does not represent a source of perpetually changing information, but a static propaganda battle to be fought and won. It was only a matter of time before fortune put his hostages out on parade.
Among other things, the media’s mass shooting count is mostly bullshit. Interestingly, numbers I heard yesterday from a right-leaning source that took leftist data and compiled it differently found that while the US dwarfed most European nations in mass shootings, with the US at roughly 330 since 2001 and individual European nations far behind it, if you combined most European nations to represent a much more similar population 500 million for the whole EU (though I think they took most populous nations instead), you get a much less crazy sounding US at 330 and EU at 360.
On the flipside of the coin, one of the other issues that has been brought up is the problem of lack of enforcement of existing laws. The gang violence half of killings in the US comes in no small part from people with clean records becoming straw purchasers and buying guns illegally for someone else (again lying on the 4473) – a crime that is rarely prosecuted.
…data from the National Criminal Justice Reference Service (NCJRS), which found in 2010, of 6 million Americans who applied to buy a gun, less than 2 percent — or 76,000 — were denied. Of those, the ATF referred 4,732 cases for prosecution. Of them, just 44 were prosecuted, and only 13 were punished for lying or buying a gun illegally.
“If the prosecution of people lying on forms is really a priority for the president, then all he has to do is say, ‘I want my federal law enforcement officials to prosecute these kinds of cases,'” former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told Fox News. “Obviously there is a different level of priority given to these type of crimes in this administration compared with other administrations.”
Could just enforce the laws. That would slowly make a difference in the day-to-day violence in the country.
But for a final piece from the media, rather than some reasoned comments, let’s go to what usually happens after a mass shooting – idiots masquerading as experts and making the public stupider:
It’s downright moronic the whole time he’s talking, but the worst is around the 1:30 mark. Shorter version here.
“Manufacturers are allowed to build them that way with what’s called a bullet button and it’s just a – you take the tip of a button – a bullet and you press a button and it turns your semi-automatic legal weapon into an illegal assault weapon.”
This is so absurdly wrong, and would’ve taken three seconds to learn about.
In normal states, you can press the mag release button with your finger to drop the magazine from the firearm:
But California has a patchwork of ridiculous gun laws. Without wading into them much, among them are limits on what firearms can have detachable magazines; as detachable magazines count as a “feature” towards being an illegal “assault” weapon to the state of CA. Magazines that have to be removed with a tool don’t count as detachable, so a manufacturer solution was to come up with a mag release button that requires a tool… in this case, using a bullet as a tool to remove it.
Then you could have mostly the same rifle in California, even though you couldn’t change magazines quickly. It has nothing at all to do with changing a rifle from semi-auto to full-auto.
But it sure has something to do with the media being stupid.
Can the states reject them? Judge says legally “no”, and says if you offer any services or welfare to anyone, you have to offer it to everyone – including aliens and refugees.
The Judge also points out that last time Obama tried to dump “refugees” on states, he’s been held up in courts. Problem with that is that the illegal aliens from those groups – the imported teenager “children” swarms from Central America – are still here, and the longer they stay, the harder it is to remove them. Since the 1960s or so when Ted Kennedy was part of a movement to create chain migration – the idea of working with “families” in a touchy-feely way that was intended to garner sympathy and import Democrat voters – the immigration system hasn’t been about what’s good for the country, it’s been about what’s good for Democrats who have been able to manipulate the laws over and over.
The 50,000 interpreters from Iraq and Afghanistan that actively helped US forces there aren’t being helped along, in part because Democrats know they’re not going to vote for Democrats (either legally after they get citizenship or illegally when given bus rides from polling place to polling place by ACORN).
The answer to this whole mess from governors is to do exactly what the left has been doing in illegal alien sanctuary cities. Illegal alien sanctuary cities, like San Francisco, have ignored federal immigration law and have left their citizens at the mercy of illegal aliens who’ve killed American citizens. Most recently in San Fran was the case of Kathryn Steinle, murdered by an illegal alien criminal who’d been deported multiple times and the city wouldn’t turn in for deportation. In 2008, again in San Fran, an illegal alien criminal was released by the city and allowed to murder a father and his two sons.
All of those actions by cities are violations of immigration law. If cities ignore and violate federal law in order to allow citizens to be murdered, it stands to reason that states could just as easily ignore the same federal laws in order to protect citizens from murder.